than through the side of the boat, (More efficient), can you tell me what envirolet you have and what the modifications were. There are also macerator toilets on the market with a 360 degree rotating bowl, allowing it to be fitted in to the most restrictive of areas. Speak to your narrowboat / widebeam boat builder to have these included. -Designed by Thrive Themes Generally speaking, the further north you are, the more reasonable the charge. For a simple fitting and very little maintenance, an external gauge can be fitted to the holding tank on a canal boat, which sensor tank levels from the outside of the tank. If the Elsan flows into the main sewer there is no problem using one. Some will also have an audio warning. Composting toilets are also marketed as being odour free. There are operated by a card system, similar to a credit card that is pre-loaded and one pays with this. Theoretically, a tank could be installed centrally if built into the bilges under the sub floor but this would take careful planning of pipe work and regard to future access. | Powered by WordPress, Choosing the best type of toilet for a narrowboat, Hire Boat And Live Aboard Narrowboat Heating Costs Compared, Comparing A Hire Boat With A Live Aboard Narrowboat, The Pros And Cons Of Narrowboat Marina Moorings, Unexpected Canal Dredging And Another Remote Icy Mooring, Snow, Ice And A Worrying List On The South Oxford Canal, Curtailed Cruising And The Lunacy Of A Lonely Lad, The Life Of An Occasional Continuous Cruiser, Common Narrowboat Newbie Mistakes And How To Avoid Them Part 2, Common Narrowboat Newbie Mistakes And How To Avoid Them, Form Over Function: The Pros and Cons Of Pretty Narrowboat Ownership, Life After Lockdown And Why Social Distancing Can Be Fun, Fifteen Reasons Why Living On A Narrowboat Is A Bad Idea: Part 2, Fifteen Reasons Why Living On A Narrowboat Is A Bad Idea, Buying A Narrowboat: Tools, Equipment and Security, Buying a Narrowboat: Pre Purchase Tips and Recommendations. In response to Dannyboyz question, Im just looking to buy a 70ft boat which was originally an 8-berth. the cassett lasts 4 person/days, so with guests on board I have to empty it every day, otherwise it last two days. Canal Boat, Narrow Boat. These gauges work using ultra-sonic and listens for an echo; others use a shaker/accelerator method. This is something no land lubber ever really has to deal with in a normal domestic situation, unless employed as a plumber or sanitation worker! Some owners of pump-out systems carry their own portable pump-out kit. modification. LeeSan boat toilet pump out adaptersprovide an easy solution to adapt different pump out deck fittings to comply with the ISO9001suction probe that is commonly used to empty toilet waste at waste management facilities. Only Be very careful what you use. and it costs me nothing. (see direct instructions). The cost of a pump-out varies. Due to the nature of narrowboats and environmental regulations, human waste has to be stored on board. Actually there are THREE types of toilet usually associated with narrowboats >> Capacity: If there are two or more of you on board you will probably need to empty your cassette at least every other day. At least the better ones do.

Something to bear in mind if you have this system is that it is well worth investing in 2 or more cassettes. decomposition) which is to be avoided, One can usually tell when a boat is fitted with a *Composter*, because they have Canal Boat, Narrow Boat, LeeSan Manual Self Pump Out Kit, Light Duty. Thus at least one pump out toilet will be needed. Its easier to sort a pipe blockage if youve planned ahead! These consist mainly of nitrates, an energy source that encourages good bacteria to grow in the tank, overtaking the anaerobic bacteria that generates the hydrogen sulphide gas that causes most of the unpleasant smells in a pump-out tank. All of them have a plastic or stainless steel waste tank very close to the toilet. around for sani-stations and basically cruise from one sani-station to another Regular inspection and cleaning will be required to ensure the seal is intact and clean. As we mentioned above, some Canal & River Trust sanitation points have a pump-out station. We purchased a second hand boat last year and are now haveing problems with our Dometic vacuflush toilet. interested). Ours leaks when you flush it. These units mimic a household unit in terms of the lid and seat so there is less emotional stress when moving between the two! Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Holding tanks can be made of stainless steel but a more common material is polyethylene. Full stop. Dont forget to use ISO standard deck fittings or else you will come a cropper when pumping out. (I mention this for those who are The kit features a waste diaphragm pump and all the hose and deck connections you will need. Its a bit of a pain. This diameter will either be 41mm, which is likely to require theLeeSan 1 1/4" NPT Pump Out Adapter (TT041A), or if the diameter of the deck filler plug thread is 48mm you will likely require theLeeSan 1 1/2" BSP Pump Out Adapter (TT041B). This needs to be a consideration if you intend to spend much time on your boat over the colder winter months. Toilets Which One To Choose? Composting? Weve said before, but well mention it again, often household cleaning products will destroy important seals. Urine is deposited into a receptacle which can be detached and emptied when full in to a standard sanitary station, or used as a fertiliser (diluted 1:8) if you have permission on nearby land. The cheapest to buy and maintain is the cassette toilet. in the loo, as this is immediately drawn out through the loo and discharged out The pump outs themselves are situated at sanitation stations managed by the Canal & River Trust around the inland waterways network. Some more, some less. A pump out toilet has a holding tank large enough for a number of weeks (depending upon the number of people using it and the frequency of use). Blank rotary moulded plastic tanks are a good choice because you can decide on the position of the tank fittings. You will find Elsan points at marinas, boatyards and at British Waterways service points along the canal. LeeSan Manual Self Pump Out Kit, Light Duty. Refer to the manufacturers recommendations when cutting holes for waste in and pumping waste out. Cutting holes in a plastic tank is a simple process when using a good quality drill mounted hole saw. A large number of marinas on the system also offer pump-out services. A quick test if you suspect the hoses may have deteriorated is to run a damp rag on them and then smell the rag outside of the boat. I also want to live on board but in addition, I plan to take youth groups away on holiday with it so I am planning to add another pair of bunks (making 10 altogether) and re-instate at least one of the pumpout loos. The pump bit of the kit is actually land based so the term refers really to a holding tank system that is pumped out remotely. specialist types, for the people who insist on being green and OddBods like A family of four eating and drinking on board all the time though will probably have to empty the tank once a week at a cost of about ?15. This means that transfer through pipe work is eased & that the breakdown of waste in the holding tank is accelerated. Alan. Even when extended cruising, we never used the pumpout at all for the next 8 years. The tank is often stored in the space under your bed (so when youre laying in bed on a windy night being rocked to sleep by what you think are waves outside the boat maybe its not waves you hear). Using our narrowboat & widebeam Design Service will help you to design your layout to encompass the toilet of your choice. And what I may even need to re-instate both pumpouts (the holding tanks are still in place) but either way, I would still keep the cassette toilet as back-up. Remember to correctly size cables with reference to power requirements and voltage drop. Composting Toilets (Envirolet and many others). A macerator is a machine which reduces solids into smaller pieces, think of it like a soup maker!. It is very much personal choice which one you prefer, however space on a narrow boat may dictate which system you can install. They are often quoted as a solution for when its impossible to empty the pump out options? Not all of the CRT sanitation stations have pump-out equipment and guides of the services available in specific locations may be obtained from the CRT on request. I understand that Paul is developing a marina map but apart from guide books having facilities on the map would be of interest. Lime scale inhibitors are always a good idea both for dosing and for the annual deep clean.

Without a gauge you run the risk of either pumping out to often which can be costly or not reaching a pump out in time and over-filling which will be very unpleasant.

do not know any of these i had a bucket on the joey and used the manhole closet the boat at the time ah happy days, Copyright text 2018 by Living On A Narrowboat. The kit is mounted on a board for easy storage and portability.Complete with 2 m Suction hose and 10 m Layflat discharge hose.RRP 310Also included - 4x 23l waste containers It is still important to fit an in-line charcoal filter to ensure an odour free cabin.

A couple of things you need to bear in mind with cassette toilets; (1) the cassettes are heavy to manouver through the boat and to wherever you are going to empty it and (2) during a cold spell the water used for rinsing your cassette at the Elsan point may be frozen. (Anaerobic A deep bilge would be required to account for top mounted level indicators and vent pipes. I liked the design, capacity and ease of use but I didnt like the fact that it had been used by someone else so I replaced it with the same model. Interesting reading your comments, the modification you mention is it something a competent DIYer could do. If you have a used boat with issues such as this, replacing pipe work and filters can often revitalise the system and is an alternative to removal and full replacement. Alternatively use the access to a vanity cupboard. Canal Boat, Narrow Boat 2, LeeSan Manual Self Pump Out Kit, Light Duty. For the more environmentally conscious, there are products available that offer a greener option to the traditional formaldehyde based waste tank treatments. Holding tank toilet systems have to be emptied less frequently. You also have the option to buy (and store on board somewhere) a range of self pump-out equipment that will enable you to use sanitation points that do not have the facility. This winter (2011/2012) has been very mild to date but last year the whole canal system was frozen for six weeks so boats with pump out toilets only had a bit of a problem. The majority of these units will have cassette access to the rear, being designed for caravans and motor homes where an access door can be externally mounted. When we bought our last boat we wanted a ceramic affair that looked like a toilet but after spending weekends cracking ice and doing a pile of locks in the snow to pump out we gave up and bought a portapotti. These are all types of toilets available on a narrowboat. The cassette would be enough for me on my own but not practical for a larger group. These treatments prevent humping of waste near pipe outlets and enable the waste to breakdown efficiently for easy pumping out. Chemicals are available for periodic maintenance of tanks. Having a spare cassette eases the issue as it is in no way acceptable to dump the contents either into a bush on the towpath or into the cut! For pumping out holding tanks there is often a fee. One is also able to purchase self-pump-out kits (Manual and Electric). on the Southern canals! Simple physics! I suppose you could always have a portapotty in the cupboard just in case just as we do now. composting loos that are *not* looked after properly get pongy! One brand of chemical treatments, Elsan, has become synonymous with chemical waste disposal points in the same way Hoover is synonymous with vacuum cleaners! Even the biggest capacity tanks will require emptying. Telephone: +44 (0)1295 770000 Fax: +44 (0)1295 770022 e-mail: sales@leesan.com. The smallest macerator on the market currently is only 295mm (11.6in) high, which makes it practical for smaller boats and cruisers. Waste can be disposed of very regularly with a cassette toilet; with holding tanks you carry the waste in a tank until full then have it pumped out. Benefits however include no chemical use and a substantial water conservation. The only work installing them is to fit a vent, preferably vertical, rather More importantly, it no longer holds its vacuum so Ive installed a switch next to the loo and turn it on when you need to flush it and off again afterwards. This particular model has a 15l flush tank, a 21l waste tank and is roughly cube shaped and 400mm on each side. It is much easier at this stage to decide on the position of sanitation pipe work and holding tanks than to try and retro-fit when the boat is completed. See More. I might be wrong on this score and it is possible that it is a coin system and ones buys coins along the way- Perhaps someone else Who Knows will comment? Natural enzyme based additives these claim to aid the breakdown of solids and thus reduce the smells. It is not suitable in the UK environment, because our We bought our ex hire boat 3years ago and have found our macerator/pump out system very effective. We suppose that this is due in part to the fact that whatever system you have, you will need to become fairly well acquainted with its operation and shortcomings.

Thanks in advance. Self pump out kits are now available to include a rotating drum for the hose which should make storage easier aboard. Retro-fitting a gauge into the holding tank is generally more complex. You can empty a cassette down a foul manhole (NOT a stormwater drain) or in desperation dig a hole and bury it somewhere discretely in the countryside if you cannot get to a disposal point. Given the choice, if we found ourselves in the position of being able to buy another boat, I think we would still probably choose the macerator/pump out system again its the convenience. makes it too expensive in the UK. ), With my Composting loo, I spend about an hour every 3 4 months, emptying Another boat of the same type on our marina claim to be able to go for 8 10weeks between pump outs. I inherited one when I bought the boat. The down sides of this unit are: Its noisy while drawing a vacuum. Dont neglect to dose a holding tank. many thanks. Household cleaners such as bleach will destroy plastic seals and tanks pretty quickly so use only products formulated for the purpose. They can be retrospectively fitted with relative ease but it is better to plan the system so services can be laid in during the first fix. there isnt a problem when one has a *Curry Night Out* There is never an odour Because pump out toilets have a large waste tank they dont need emptying so often.

Considering the ballast weight of a full tank is important. Only just got back on the site so a belated thanks for the replies. Plastic cassette toilet bowls can cause emotional trauma for those used to porcelain, due in part to the fact they dont always stay white! In fact, if you dont mind me being quite candid here, I tend to just use my toilet for having a wee. It sounds like yours may be similar and I have heard you can no longer get spare parts. Hi around Evesham, I think). Note: When you pass stinging nettles about 100 high, I have probably cruised by some time earlier and may be responsible for the growth! When I pass through woods, or ploughed land, hedges or natural growth, the composted material can be broadcast. Another manufacturer claims a couple living aboard should last 3 months without emptying the solid matter. Blue waste tank dosing chemicals are formulated to prevent the build up of gas, liquefy waste and provide a masking odour which is often no more pleasurable than the smell of waste.These chemicals do lose their deodorising properties after a few days though.

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