Its a good thing. I will certainly use it for most of my rigs. Id get a little sweaty with that clich/factor loop connection flying in and out of the guides on a big fish on a heavy Western river, where 35-40 feet of line can dissapear out the guides in a flash, but thats admittedly not the norm in most situations. But now that I think about it, a welded steel loop would work even better if I can find one the right size. But whats youre method for changing leaders on the river? The 100 pound plus tarpon parted my fly line at the backing connection. Being of similar attitude about my fishing, though I dont fly fish, Id like to share a knot i only learned of a few years ago the Worlds Fair knot! A perfection loop for tapered leaders. Anyway . Big mistake. Click here for a great tutorial on whipping your own loops. I just like the way the 3-4 turn clinch forms almost a tapered barrel. https://www.ginkandgasoline.com/gink-gasoline-fly-patterns/diy-fly-line-loop/, Fly Fishing Bass: 5 Tips for Fishing Frog Patterns Around Grass, 5 Reasons People Dont Catch As Many Trout As They Should. I used it for several years as a beginner in the 70s (as do many others) and it works fine but must be retied or re-inserted occasionally for wear. I have a question that does not pertain to knot connections. Thats pretty clean. That is a myth. How many times did I just want to tie a clinch onto the slim new loops on my line? Thank you all, for a wonderful and busy 2021 season! Thanks for the article Long time conventional and light spin fisherman here on the Jersey Shore in Barnegat Bay and on the surf. Dont improve the clinch knot with that final move back through the loop either its unnecessary and adds bulk. Thanks. Yeah, people have asked that a lot. So there are the three most common methods for attaching a fly line and leader. Thanks. And the river. My work happens closer than 30 feet about 90 percent of the time. The Uni knot is my go to in almost every situation. I would still encourage you to learn and use this great knot. The Full Mono Rig Kit contains each of the three Mono Rig leaders, three foam spools and a twenty-inch Rio Bi-Color extension. E-mail [emailprotected], leave a message at 802-362-8800, or follow Tom on Instagram @rosenbauert. The coating doesnt matter. Am I wrong in thinking the braid will gradually wick up water or is this based on a misunderstanding of how fly lines are made? The length of the leader compared to the rod inevitably always had my loop to loop in the guides at the end of the fight.

Less, on sale. READ: Troutbitten | Streamers on the Mono Rig More Control and Contact. Attaching the leader to the fly line via a clinch knot works for me. Its easy and works well but probably not recommended for heavy duty applications. So in thicker diameters, its important to do the extra turn and do an improved Davy knot. Separating the mow tip and the skagit line with a piece of mono in between will give you an undesirable hinge. Regarding that small slit in the fly line coating where you tie in the clinch, you WANT that to happen. And at that ring is where I changed out leaders. See the video below. I tell ya, you wont see any Old school guides in the keys using any loops.

., Announcements, Tactics, The Troutbitten Podcast. Thats a pretty big drawback, for me. Im a Uni knot man too, in Britain we call it a grinner knot. There are tools. Easy to follow, step-by-step instructions with user-friendly interactivity. Im sure youll think of something. But, I dont usually have any fly line in the guides with a mono rig. Costanzas Festivus Airing of Grievances, Eating On The Drop How and Why Trout Eat a Falling Fly, Dont Hate Split Shot Have a System (with VIDEO), The Hard Truth About Why You Cant See Your Dry Fly, (VIDEO) Fly Fishing the Mono Rig Casting vs Lobbing, https://www.fishing.org/knots/world-fair-knot, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZCBt7wkGfA, Podcast: The Troutbitten Project Past, Present and Future, Podcast: Feed Drop Troutbitten on the Wade Out There Podcast, Design and Function of the Troutbitten Standard Mono Rig (*UPDATED*), Podcast: An Introduction to Night Fishing for Trout S3-Ep14, If You Have to Revive a Trout, Its Probably Too Late, Casting and Drifting | Drop Shot Nymphing on a Tight Line Rig Pt.5, Podcast: The Airing of Grievances S3-Ep13, Fly Fishing Strategies Plan for the Hookset, VIDEO: Real Dead Drifts Up Top and Underneath, Podcast: Whats the Deal With Junk Flies?

Keeping flies and tippets as one in a ziplok bag is a small price to pay for the on-the-water convenience. Great discussion and info here. Thanks JC. And if Im using a long Mono Rig, theres no way Im running thirty plus feet of a leader through the little fly line loop when I can so quickly tie a four turn clinch. Ive been secretly cutting the loops off my leaders for quite a while now. I do not know when I will have time to test though. Theres enough visibility built into that fly that you can find it quickly, as long as the fly lands where youre looking . Its a good thing. Now, of course, my butt to fly line connection is kind of irrelevant since I use about 30 of mono. I would think the whipped loop would add weight to the emd, cauding it to sink easier than a welded loop. Its a good thing.

There has been some great discussion on here recently. I couldnt care less about slick coating or textures that help me shoot 80 feet, because Im not a saltwater fisherman, and I dont shoot 80 feet. You suck. I did the test outlined above, with a RioTrout LT. After 2 days in water there was no difference. I agree thats the smoothest way. It holds in all lines, its the smallest , lowest profile knot I can think of, and easier to tie than any other knot Ive used. KISS (keep it simple stupid). Its harder to change leaders, and eats up a little fly line each time. Thanks for the tip! It never comes into play unless I fall asleep and a 30 brownie takes me far away. Once synched it is a very stable connection. The article above is about dealing with two troubles: One changing leaders on the stream, quickly and efficiently. A rich angling heritage stretching beyond a century, with timely articles, tips, photos, videos, podcasts, and the latest fly-fishing news. The only connection Ive found that hangs in the guides less is a needle knot. Orvis has been outfitting adventurous travelers since 1856, and our team of travel experts continues that tradition. But I should mention that I purposely design my leaders to keep any fly line connection out of the guides. Thanks for the affirmation. And he does a great job explaining many of his favorite tactics. I also use the nail knot for any line I consider mostly for dry fly fishing. I use 1.5 mm or 2 mm rings. And if you tie your own leaders, you can simply change the butt section if it gets too short for your liking. Sometimes, its that intersection of the two states that elicits the irresistible urge from a fish. I just finished a series of test knots using old fly line and 25 lb. Ive been using the uni and the clinch; I never know which one will show up until my fingers start the process. Never hurts to hit this or any knot at end of fly line with some superglue. Its just a good way to break off fish, in my opinion. All Troutbitten leaders come on a three-inch spool, making long leader changes a breeze . Is it really a pain? It is so informative and gives me confidence to try these things you write about as its obvious you know your stuff . When I want to fish a dry fly I carry an extra spool with a dry fly leader. One for the fly line the other for the leader. Please respect that. Your favorite fly line? In addition to attaching leaders to fly lines the Albright Knot works well for attaching lots of lines which are different in size or material. Fly Casting, Tactics, The Mono Rig, Videos. Yeah, I whipped some loops in fly lines a bunch of years back, but I never liked the results. The braid is as flexible as the fly line and the leader doesnt cut into it as it can with the fly line. Thanks for the push! Taper down for dries, sighter to tippet for nymphs. From the fly line I used ten inches of Chameleon as a lead to a 1.5 mm tippet ring. Ive tried the mono line system using 20 lb amnesia. The welded loops are pretty good, but for saltwater fishing I always whip my own, for strength. It does not work in larger diameters of leader because the needle that will take that diameter through its eye is too big to thread into the fly line. I know the method I like, but there are pluses and minuses to each. The first welded loops were bulky and overdone, and I just couldnt get past the extra mass at the end of a fine fly line taper. I just stick with the loops now and have less problems. Smooth through the guides. Book now to join me in 2022. You could change leaders very quickly, are these still available? And be nice. I attach my leader to it by forming a tiny loop (1/8) and cinching it down with 10lb. I have arthritis in my hands and dont seem to be able to stretch the line enough to straighten it out. And all good fly casts, with fly line or otherwise, allow the line/leader to turnover in the air and then hit the water. S3-Ep12, Podcast: Why Do We Miss Fish, and Why Do We Lose Fish on a Fly? In the heavy diameter of a butt section, a few wraps is all thats required. Captcha loadingIn order to pass the CAPTCHA please enable JavaScript. It is good up to a 10lb mono leader, so basically a trout set up. Clip off the old and tie in the new. They were always more bulky than simply tying a needle nail knot: https://midcurrent.com/videos/tying-a-needle-nail-knot/. The Clinch looked good but I found that a two-turn Uni-Knot looked and felt even better than the Clinch; no slippage either. Its nice to know I have company. Cmon man, drop the god complex, you should quit fishing and become an engineer. The upside of this knot is that it is the easiest to bring through your guides, especially if you coat it with a little UV resin. He bolts, the perfection loop sticks on a guide for a split second, and the tippet snaps. Good stuff, Louis. Can this be used for backing to fly line? Now I can be free! Enjoy the day. The resulting loop is not much bigger than the eye of a big hook, but theres plenty of room to tie on a length of Maxima Chameleon. Also, tying a nail knot requires its own set of contortions, and even if you can tie a clean one on the river, it wastes a lot more leader material when tied. ban the loop to loop. Pursuing this kind of versatility also keeps us in the game for a lifetime. I still have the loop to loop but solved this problem via your suggestion of a longer butt section when throwing streamers. Ha! I liked the idea of a small nail knot for less wind resistance, so I cut the loops off my new fly line and tried this a few times. Thanks for the question. Then I tied straight into the fly line loop. With a Uni-Knot you can double it through the fly line loop and spread out the pressure. Thank you. Lay both in water for 2 hours. It cuts a little slit in that loop, and I WANT that. . Can I post part of this on my website if I include a reference to this webpage? or am I overthinking this? Its the best solution by far, for all the reasons I mentioned in the article. Ive always wondered how guys seal up their line when using nail knots to change leaders mid fishing day as well. Worse yet, itll probably hang up as you stretch out with a fully flexed rod in one hand and a net in the other, straining to reach for the Namer you just fought for five minutes in heavy current. I have been using the clinch knot to connect for years mostly because that was the one knot I was conformable with coming from the spinning world. This is a much cleaner and simpler idea. Just be sure to use the right one. Cut it very short. There are systems for being versatile on the water. Dry Fly Fishing, Fly Casting, Stories, Tactics, Your first job is to find some accuracy. Drawing on a sporting legacy that stretches for more than a century and a half, Orvis is proud to equip anglers with the best fly-fishing rods, reels, clothing, and gear in the world. So Im still cutting those loops off. Probably the most seldom used method for attaching a leader is also the simplest. I use a sighter butt section of 18 inches or so. They last forever. About a decade ago, the trend started with high end lines, and it filtered down to the rest. Found all the same issues that you identified. As you mentioned the loop to loop knot fails miserable with dries even for bass and panfish. One knot is sleeker than three knots. I use a braided loop at the end of the fly line. If I was under that restriction and had to deal with that junction all the time, then I might go with the DIY micro loop as well. Have a new reel that I was just gonna put backing on and tie butt section to that (nail knot or similar). Thats about 20-22 feet. Thats a very good way to do it. 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Im continuing to evolve. .and then there is the Whitlock Zap A gap connection. I believe (without proof) that it is less likely to cut into the flyline. Our endorsed fly-fishing partners are researched, vetted, and selected by Orvis experts. I love the extra versatility of changing leaders at any moment, for any trout in the river, so I find the Clinch solution best. Ive tried the Davy there but I dont care for it. With practice very easy to tie. 1. But . As you mention, the nylon leader material tends to pull the coating off of the core of the fly line. You need the right tools, the right shot and the right methods for using all of it. I agree with you Richard. It has the slim profile of the Nail Knot and, when tied properly, the strength of the Loop To Loop. Alright, heres my Costanzas Festivus Airing of Grievances against loop to loop connections. So what is your current setup?

Yesterday I damaged the tip of a fly line, cut it off and used an Albright Knot where there had been a loop. Worst thing ever. The DIY micro loop is a great option if you need it. Look up the specs on the tapers and compare them. There braided loops for floating and sinking lines. In the end, the best method is the one that works best for you and the way you fish. Still, it does have its advantages. Hi Dom, noob question: Ive read your post on being able to change back quickly to a typical fly line and leader set up, but if Im going all in on the mono rig, do I need a fly line? I still catch plenty of fish, and have more fun doing it. There are some unique features to Troutbitten leaders that make a big difference. The reigning competition champ seems to vouch for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZCBt7wkGfA. Even without a trout attached to the end of your line, the loop to loop connection slows down any shooting or stripping line with its constant friction in the guides. I loved that.

Thanks. Personally, I find the tiny bit of water on the braid to be insignificant for flotation. The slim profile is exactly why this method works. So remember, competitors are limited to a leader that is only twice the length of the rod. Both lenghts still floating. And the knot itself is simply a single layer of butt material with none of the doubled-over line you have with the Albright, Alberto, etc. As for leader change, I just change at a tippet ring located at the end of a 9 butt section. Any conversation on connections should include it. Had never considered a clinch. Just discovered this webpage and I love the simplicity of the tying the clinch into the loop, out of curiosity if the mono cuts into the fly line, is their any negative impact on water soaking the core and making a floating line less floatable? https://www.fishing.org/knots/world-fair-knot. My business model is self-publishing. Its almost springtime. Thanks for getting my curiosity churning. I change my leader often for the type of fishing Im doing or for the conditions.. Actually pretty easy to tie on stream if necessary. Those are my thoughts on the subject anyway. . When it comes to leaders, there are two things I strongly believe. Its also super smooth. My only exception is pre tapered trout leaders. Years ago I was tarpon fishing with Florida guide Jake Jordan. It doesnt catch in the guides much for me either. I can think of one exception to use the loop to loop. I can land 10 pound steelies on the 4 pound test mono rig, during winter of course when they are tame. Thats the difference between casting and lobbing. And theres an easier way to attach a leader to a fly line without ever tying a nail knot. Anyway, I just dont think it matters. Loop to loop is good there. Then Im connected to the core, the braid, of the fly line. I find that the Davy in thicker diameters like a 20 lb butt section slips a little. While fishing for Tarpon, I suspect that neither of those troubles apply. Downsides are simple. That wild trout of a lifetime decides to take one last joyride. But the way I do things, my Mono Rig is long enough that the leader to line connection is on the reel, in all but the longest distances. I use it on trout rods. Keepin it simple these days. It always pays to have a plan B. You have shamed me into acknowledging that the stupid loop to loop things I have been tying for years were a product of a rigid indoctrination that never made any sense at all. Yup. You also need to make the connection properly. Photo by Bill Dell. SC. Im also not a big fan of welded loops and cut them off, I just dont trust them. The loop to loop is a clunky connection that hangs up in the guides far too often. Its the middle sizes where knot witchcraft is required. And its certainly more accessible to most anglers than tying a nail knot. Youll see the fly every time, once you can hit your targets. I nodded at the fly again. I dont try to cover all of that here. The Al Caucci super glue splice works too, for knotted leaders. . Im a problem solver at heart. Be part of the Troutbitten community of ideas. As you said micro. . Ted lost a large tarpon and I lost a fly line. We are not fishing for 100 pound fish. Upside, as I said, slim profile and very strong. The line will float. I know what you mean. Further my comment. Albright knot for the big rigs. But I understand what youre saying about arthritis. So a competitors leader to line connection will be in the guides at short nymphing distances, and it will be out of the guides at long nymphing distances. You dont use few inches of 20lb chameleon with microring all the time as the basic setup anymore? My second point is a gripe from long liners, specifically. Unless you use a looped tip system in which case the nail knot is out. Buddy Ted was up and hooked a large tarpon on my 12 weight rod. I was seriously thinking about putting a nail knot on the end of my line on my carp rig: 83 7 wt Fenglass. But a few years ago, my favorite line appeared with a slim loop right out of the box. Cool. If you have another method you like tell us about it in the comments! Its a very good knot with many applications. You can find that method here: READ: Troutbitten | Get me back to my fly line Connecting and disconnecting the Mono Rig. And I understand your point. Now its needle knot. I dont why so many people recommend four or 5 turns when 2 or 3 turns has never let me down even on fine tippet material. Wrong. But the connection point is almost seamless, and a tiny drop of super glue at the union can make it even smoother if you build up a little bank with it tapering from the fly line end down along the leader butt. The venerable Nail Knot has been attaching fly lines to leaders for as long as there have been fly lines and leaders to attach. Learn to tie our favorite knots! Over time, do you find that the 20 lb chameleon has a tendency to cut trough the fly line loop? Its convenient and very strong. Eventually, we develop such a facility with these skills that we begin to combine them, breaking free from the common and standard approach and landing on new ways to get a dead drift or move a streamer. . The downside, not much in my opinion. Personally, it doesnt seem to take much to straighten out mono for me. The simplicity to me has made my fishing so much more relaxing and fun again, worrying about every bit of drag, and executing precise casts with 25 leaders and a 2.0mill bead got tiring! No knot at all, and the slimmest profile possible. Its a good knot to know. Hand tied fly line loop with a loop to loop connection. I have not dared do this on my floating lines. Required fields are marked *. Thanks for the tip! But I dont mind it cutting into the the fly line. Thats me. A properly tied nail knit is best to ensure a non-hinging fly turn over. Its supposed to be easy. The idea of connecting them with a very short piece of mono with clinch knots to each loop comes to mind. Its just wraps around the line with no added bulk to create any hard angles or hang in the guides. Wet the knot before you snug it up, and it will hold. Breaking strength of the nail knot vs needle knot vs clinch knot to the loop are largely irrelevant in trout fishing, because (in most situations) our tippet will break LONG before any of those leader to line connections do. Ill also argue that its no slimmer than the clinch knot to a loop in the fly line. I love Trico fishing, and I dont want ANYTHING that might catch and pop my 7X if I have a big fish on. Another is the eyed insert metal pin with barbs that holds itself securely when inserted into the fly line core. 5. And you dont need more than three or four turns. Hit it with a little UV resin and it will pass through the guides easily and its strong enough to hold a tarpon. Personally I fish home-made furled leaders which have a Shorb loop; this makes for a very smoot loop to loop connection as their is no knot to get hung up on the guides. by Domenick Swentosky | Mar 6, 2019 | 90 comments. My leaders are also only 2-4 feet in length. Nylon Leader links are another beginner option I previously used. Works great as a substitute for a traditional nail knot. . Regarding that small slit in the fly line coating where you tie in the clinch, you WANT that to happen. It took me a while to buy in to the welded loops. Dont do it. Ahhh. There are stages. If so how does it affect casing with the additional wight the thread and UV materials create. Thats a good thing. . Its a short but punchy list. If I cant use a needle knot then I use an albright, quick and easy to tie and very secure and again the mono comes out in line with the middle of the fly line. My fly line these days tends to be cheap running line. It is, for the record, my least favorite and I have not used it for years. Required fields are marked *. I would add three more connections to this list. The clunky bump of the handshake between the two loops sticks in the guides as well. Does the ring cause the leader to sink on dry flies? Your email address will not be published. Most fly lines these days come with a loop at the end for attaching the leader. Thanks. A simple clinch knot is all thats needed to attach the leader to a fly line loop. . Since I use knotless leaders mostly, the Whitlock splice is my preferred method. The braid will not wick in that much water, in my opinion. . Depending on line size & stiffness, you may want to use this twist on both loops or only one.

You could wrap a long stretch of the leader around a tree and stretch it that way, leaning with your body weight a little . When playing a trout with the line/leader connection inside the tip top I pay close attention and can proactively position it safely out side of any danger or give a tug that helps get it through the tip top on my terms. Id go your route with the clinch-to-loop with the mono rig, and a mini whipped DIY loop with thin fly lines (I do both). I personally have not felt the need to bring my leader into my guides since sometime in the 1980s. Dom, I like this. I dont think Id like the way that performs. Its reliable if done correctly but mostly used for trout, bass and panfish as saltwater guys dont trust its strength. (Davy Wotten will tell you the same thing, I believe). The super glue splice is indeed a great solution if you have no plans to change the leader. I attached the fly line to the backing via a nail knot. Sorting through the wildly contradictory information out there has been a challenge. I still use this method sometimes: https://troutbitten.com/2017/03/21/get-me-back-to-my-fly-connecting-and-disconnecting-the-mono-rig/. I normally tie a nail knot with the leader butt because of its low profile, sometimes I size the connection with fly tying thread, tapering the mono and stripping the fly line end. I somehow missed that small slit part. What do you think? Promise. It does create a slit in the loop. On standard length leaders, it matters sooner, of course. Definitely agree with the loop annoyance! Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Hi. I am using this: flyline with loop + I change leaders with clinch knot on this line (tappered mono 9 for dries, furled tappered leaders, 30 tapered camoufil French nymph leaders, mono with indicator), but the loop seems to be cut with the leaders and they are attached almost only to the inner core of the loop.

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