Archive - I switched to Morse control and never looked back. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Do Not Sell My Personal Information -. Luckily the guy on the mic knew it was him and he released the button. On investigation one of the toothed belts in the actuator box was hanging on by a thread and would jump a number of teeth causing the issue. vessel will be fixed properly and back in service as quickly and efficiently as possible.

It's rare when it operates as intended. How much did it cost? That said the biggest repeat issue with them is either related to a clean and consistent power supply or grounds. submit a request to us.

828-508-4201 . Clear Command Someone keyed the SSB and the throttles instantly pinned!!! Previously: Bayliner 3818 in PNW. We stock both new Actually, we discussed that already a few months ago in.

If so, who is your MC guy? They are good and still supporte.

He's the go-to guy if you have one of these systems. They have been problem free ever since.

If you are in S Fl there is a Hynautic expert who could rebuild your system. JavaScript is disabled. I have enough errant electrons as it is . John. http://www.atlantismarine.co.uk/Images/User//File/585CE [585CE&813CE] Manual [English].pdf. The Bayliner Owners Club is a gathering place for Bayliner Owners and prospective owners. Powered by vBulletin Version 4.1.4 Copyright 2022 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Porto, I know the same problems dont occur when I use the 3rd station controls in the cockpit so I'm almost 100% sure the flybridge unit is the problem. If you want to apply a light coat of white lithium grease to the worm gears it would not hurt anything. I had problems with my Hynautics controls 4 years ago. I had the Micro Commanders in my last boat and had one engine stuck in gear as I was entering a narrow fairway, was able to shift the other to reverse and get out of the channel, then I just shut down the controls at the breaker and then turned them back on and everything was ok. Scared the you no what out of me. I had a problem with my ZF Microcommanders (585s) earlier this year, every now and then the station would emit a beeping sound and the shift would do either odd things or stop completely. Contact Us About ZF Marine / Mathers Support, Control Masters Marine Systems CruiseCommand, MasterCommand, MiniCommand, or SmartCommand, WE CAN HELP! The ZF Marine Factory Certified Technicians at Control Masters have extensive training and Cruise Command Tech support is still good but inventory is questionable. In ZF g/boxes (like the 350 in my boat and the 665V in Deleted User boat), the control valve can be either mechanical or electrical - it's just a matter of ordering it with the appropriate version. After reading your post, I was going to reply that what you experienced can't happen to Deleted User, because he doesn't have the unit you are describing. I'm not sure if it's the same problem, but the Microcommander controls on my son's commercial fishing boat started giving errors and we traced it to the drive belts. Hi Andrew, This is Ed with Control Masters and I am responding to you both via your email and via the BOC so everyone can have the same information. PLEASE CLICK HERE TO SUPPORT THE BOC (and remove advertising), http://www.baylinerownersclub.org/iny?limitstart=0. Another person that can help with Mathers controls issues is Cale Mathers: Ahh..another too fancy for salt water conditions..Once again if you have a lot or some electronics..you can expect failure. Smart Command I run customers boats equipped with them as well. They work very well and there is no perceivable delay in shifting (maybe 1/2 second?). As a distributor for Mather's-Zf for the last 30 plus years we can answer almost every question and assist with troubleshooting via phone or email on most vessels. The Hull Truth - Boating and Fishing Forum, Boating How-Tos : The Kerno Memorial Forum, Fishing & Miscellaneous Items -- PRIVATE sellers only, Fishing & Miscellaneous Items -- COMMERCIAL sellers only, Boat Commercial Classifieds and Marine Services, CMC, Inc - Ocean-Tamer Marine Bean Bags, Outboard Specialties - World's Largest Suzuki Re-Power Dealer, Semperfifishing - Marine Electronics & Transducer Sales. You must log in or register to reply here. Couple that with not many techs know and understand the system. If Mike's engines are mechanical then the issue could be at the actuator end. I was impressed with the price and looked like an easy installation.Pat. I think they all use a similar worm screw and belt arrangement. I struggle with the issues that electronic controls bring but at some point may not have a choice. HANDHELD REMOTE CONTROL. I have them and live with them. I suppose that even 100% electronic engines need something to turn an electronic signal into a physical gear change. I'll check out the existing unit once I replace it. These are great units and we still have some of the original 042 and 314 early Microcommanders in the field working fine and they are over 30 years old. Mike's already bought a new helm unit so doesn't need to swop stuff about.

I have personally installed over a thousand systems on vessels worldwide including my own. I would like to see about fixing them in the off season. I would recommend Ed at Control Masters Inc. for ZF control support. there are 2 types of control heads, if you have them here is a linc to the mathers install manual. Can someone get me in touch with this Ed guy?? Keep life simpleenjoy the cruise. Novurania 335DL. All rights reserved. I think since 1998? I ve only used Morse and Cat electronic controls, never MMC but I ve heard issues with random engagement and shifting delays. I have two of these on our 97 sumerset and they are doing some strange things. Chucking parts @ it without an accurate Dx Hmm . Please contact us on our toll free tech support line for assistance, or use the link below to Privacy Statement - Cookie Policy - After much deliberation I stayed with Hynautic. Find someone that knows the system and fix it. JavaScript is disabled. Copyright 2017-2022 Big Lake Media LLC, PALMER, AK. Call Gary at Marine Control Systems. Phone: 904-260-9756 Toll-Free: 855-MATHERS (855-628-4377) I do have the micro commanders at four locations on board our 58LRC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb8e49zCMJo. Glendenning makes controls too. they are wonderful controls. A great guy , he will go through your problems on the phone . No matter what size or model of Bayliner Boat that you have or are contemplating, we have members here who have that same model and would enjoy discussing it in a friendly, welcoming environment. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Some think that attaching electronic controls to mechanical engines is problematic.

Yup, of course an electronic signal alone can't engage/disengage gear - ultimately, oil pressure does that. But the strange power readings are a clue to the problem. OP I have hynautic engine controls and just went through the serious contemplation of switching to Glendenning electric. Thanks. You are using an out of date browser. 1704 Lakeside Avenue, Suite 3 Applicable to software package Version 7.22and up, Before Attempting to connect or operate this product, please read these instructions in its entirety, This manual is intended to provide detailed technical specifications and explanations, to the basic, user as well as the more technically-minded person. MMCs are very sensitive to static and rfi but great controllers when operating correctly. Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. So it's possible (I've no idea of the likelihood) that there is a bad connection with the "electrical control valves"? However, what's changed is production.

If I were installing today, I probably would go with a different brand, with Glendenning getting a serious look. Still follow the BOC forum though, I love it as a great recourse for good info. View Full Version : Mathers Micro Commander controls. The price was reasonable and he's happy with the performance of the new controls so far. I have microcommanders installed by previous owner during repower/refit. I must admit that I didnt realise that the ZF Marine division was based in Italy. Mag535 are you in the PNW? Saint Augustine, Florida 32084 AndrewF, I have the ZF Mathers on my boat (three control heads, probably 15 years old). Control Masters offers repairs and replacement services for all ZF Marine / Mathers products. -ELECTRONIC CONTROLS- Does anyone know where we can get them looked at locally? I was on on a 43 Roberson that had just had a complete refit and was out on a test run.

we ended up doing the upgrade. Our experience along with our extensive inventory of parts ensures that your Do you have a question about your ZF Marine / Mathers Electronic controls? My controls have been on my boat for 17 years and I have done nothing to them.

All was perfect until pulling back into the slings. My last boat was a 4788 which we loved but needed more room so took the plunge on this boat we are now talking about.

I replaced both reservoir canisters and had the controls rebuilt by Sea Tech of San Diego for 10 boat bucks. Has anyone here done that and did it work out well? Pain to change the belts but I now carry a few spares. Do I need to grease the lead screw? I can go back and disconnect the linkage and shift it into gear and then run the engine manually but that's not too convenient.

Ive never had any get stuck in gear, but the delay in shifting is VERY pronounced and VERY irritating.

By logging into your account, you agree to our. Could even be something as simple as adjusting the cables. It's been a while (years?) This manual is a live document, and will be, updated often with new information. and reconditioned units to help get you back on the water fast. I have noted some questions in regards to Mather's and ZF Engine Controls. Mathers did not service these any more but did have an exchange program going for upgrading. Would be interested in the forums thoughts on traditional cables. I've had a bit of a run in recently with the people who look after my boat because, whilst they are putting the flybridge cushions away inside the boat every time we leave, I suspect that they are not putting the covers on the flybridge which means that the ZF unit is open to the elements all the time. Talk about holy crap! I half suspected that. Email: sales@marineenginecontrols.com. The PO had not had the glycol is the system changed ever so it had turned into sludge. Have also had problems with grounds "leaking" which will show strange power readings. Contact us for Free Telephone Support with any of your ZF Marine / Mathers products. This page was generated at 10:25 AM. I had the same experience, on one engine only, made for an interesting attempt at anchoring after dark in the wet and wind. Mine are about 10 years old. I would never replace a Hynautic system with electric. Mathers can be vexing. Copyright 2020 Control Masters Marine Systems Corp. All rights reserved. Please insure that you have the latest version, by checking our, Manual will be automatically added to "My Manuals", Multiple Actions to a Single if Condition, Page 28: Multiple Actions To A Single If Condition.

Took me a good while to figure out it wasn't just me going crazy.

It may not display this or other websites correctly. Micro Commander experience in all of the ZF Marine Control Systems. Production moved from Mukilteo, WA to ZF Arco, Italy. Thanks P for the explanation. -ELECTRONIC CONTROL ACCESSORIES- ZF MARINE ENGINE CONTROLS

Whether you have a MicroCommander, ClearCommand,

ended up the circuit boards in the controllers.

ZF has owned Mathers for quite some time.

Mini Command but Ed helped me out with some control issues, parts, and advice. haven't had a problem since and have had no Ghosts in the 12v side of our boat with every ground on the boat gone through, cleaned and repaired. Im still having trouble with my Hynautic Controls and am seriously considering replacing the whole mess with an electronic system. Plus, sync is built in. Just thought I would update anyone interested in this issue. A customer of mine did a retrofit with Sea Star electronics. The aging Hynautic equipment is becoming more and more problematic. WKRP in cincinnati. I have thought about doing that. Its still supported by the ZF service network globally.

Thanks. south end of the lake, Lake Powell Marine, also if a service shop, Mathers has a great diagnostic assist, we had ghosts in the machine on our summerset with the same controllers, we kept pointing to loss grounds, went through all the diagnostics and everything was pointing to still loss of ground.

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