If you intend to be gone for more than a day or two and need to empty your system, consider putting mineral oil on the leathers to keep them soft. Their was a frayed tuft from a knot at the lowest point, which worked to guide all but the most vigorous of gushes into the sink--instead of backward onto my wooden counter.

on the pitcher pump consists of three 1/4 inch holes equally spaced Visitors seldom ask whether it's new or original.

My cistern is about 30' away from my kitchen sink, and less than half that to my bathroom sink.

If you bought your hand pump elsewhere, we do not wish to ship you parts that fit ours. 1. ought to be used in a permanent set-up, so that there is no danger of it's collapsing due to suction of the pump. You will want to install a foot valve and strainer. Also would I be better off with a 4 or a 5 foot well point in order to draw enough water. Ship to Store

Joilene Rasmussen (author) from United States on April 29, 2012: How far you can pump (either vertically or horizontally) has much more to do with the draw rate of your particular pump, than with the angles of your pipe. (barrel, boat deck, etc).

But for deeper water levels (8' or deeper), or for older pumps, a good spring check valve in an accessible vertical section of your drop pipe or the use of a foot valve may work wonders for the pump's operation. On the far end of the water line, if you aren't connectiing a sprinkler head or something you can turn off, install a valve and close it partially and read the pressure back at the pump's outlet.

Would PVC be better? For pumps used on very shallow water levels we don't think it matters much.

Yes or no? hZmS:qw:p,Y;RseanC&Nd ]2%=PZ@ F"o|hAxhJa$620PJc1V0ZaxRBp+7J.z gD@P(z=Fa(@)45 *ECtIG/RFJqF@! 04HA&on>QOf. When deciding what it will take to install your hand pump, you must consider what kind of water source or cistern you have available. Using short strokes, raise and lower the handle until the suction pipe fills with water.

Once we reached the cistern, we ran the pipe into it, and put in another check valve.

Joilene Rasmussen (author) from United States on April 07, 2012: My line length from the cistern to the pump is approximately 30 feet.

Should I go with a 2" or a 1 1/4" point and pipe. For that we recommend using food-grade safe faucet grease (#LU020) on the leather diaphragm. Q.

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The farmhouse sink is original, and appears to be one of the oldest models available, being pre-1910.

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2. If you noticed; the self primer didn't come with a pressure switch.

While growing up, I had sometimes used the tall red pump my grandmother had at her cistern by her garden. Stores [ We make this rule based on experience.

If the pump will not prime then check for leaks on the suction side. However, be aware that when pressure goes up, the less gpm the pump will produce. Two red pitcher pumps purchased off Amazon. In other words, the pump spout does not extend far enough out to allow the water to fall into the sink without hitting the counter.

The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers to this website may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. The house had never undergone improvements, and was in its original 1928 state.

I can try to check that if it would be helpful. This article touches on everything related to hand pumps, including necessary supplies, instructions for building, and an analysis of them.

Thank you! There was some electricity in the home, done in a 1940s do-it-yourself style.

Any kind of ridgid pipe (copper, PVC, etc.) As to whether an electric pump is always a better choice, wellthere are certain circumstances in which it just isn't. Many times this will expand the rubber/leather enough that it will work for you again. If you do not include a check or spring-loaded foot valve at the end of your vertical pipe when installing your pump, you will have to remember to pump a cupful of water each evening to keep until morning, for re-priming your pump each day. on a flat surface (8 inch diameter). We began in each case at the countertop, measuring, cutting, and threading pipe as we went. I recently purchased a cast iron pump to convert to use as a bathroom facuet but when it arrived it had a sticker saying (do not use for drinking water, as this product contains lead and other harmful substances that cause cancer and other conditions) I am still looking for a safe pump to use for people who want to brush teeth, drink water, etc. Horizontally, your water source may be as many as 100 yards away from your pump without adversely affecting the pumping power or the water flow rate.

This can help to allow for changing well water levels that can happen throughout the year.

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A. Any recommendations? You will see check valves mounted at the top or bottom of the pipe on a well that shallow. It sounds like you screwed the gauge into a suction hole instead of a pressure port. Egon: If you put a hole in the suction pipe between the water level and the pump, won't that ruin your ability to create suction and get the water up to the pump? FAQ's If the pump is not used for a long period of time then some evaporation could occur causing the water to fall below the leather and drying out the leather.

There are many different brands, with all different parts. What a journey! Change them as often as necessary. The kitchen also had a nice six-burner propane stove, which had clearly replaced a wood-and-coal cookstove. It seems that your hand pump and cistern idea is our best bet.

ridgetop from Kentucky on April 02, 2012: Thank you. The pitcher pump can pump water from a depth of 20-24 feet. The bottom bolt down pattern

The only thing I didn't show in the hand pump article is the fact that we had to apply silicone around the kitchen pump and large sink, built up in front on the pump, so that water stopped running back onto the counter. In your case, you could buy the cheapest PVC version since it is only a few feet down and you are not drinking the water. Directly above the leather cup and inside the plunger cage the plunger weight sits on top of the threaded nut and acts as a check valve. I had to decide what sort of appearance I wanted the pump to have, as well as how I wanted it to function. You are using an out of date browser. I am installing a 1 1/2 Hp Flotec sprinkler pump with a 1 1/2" intake and discharge. Q.

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A. You have to restrict the flow from the pump to see any pressure. A 3/4" PVC version should cost under $15. 15'-28' deep is the extent to which many are useful. Market

Simone Haruko Smith from San Francisco on August 29, 2011: What an incredible guide! Try these exploded views and explanation, as well: https://www.plumbingsupply.com/handpump.html. Joilene Rasmussen (author) from United States on September 01, 2011: Thank you for you very kind comment! and FFA Education, Treasure

I think what is going on is you are running the pump open discharge which wouldn't show much of any pressure. If it is a deeper-well type, you'll have to pull the well and get to the necessary parts lower down. We have one at our camp and used 11/4" galvanized pipe.

Pipe connection to bottom of pitcher pump is 1 1/4 inch threaded

The galvanized pipes running toward the left go directly through the floor to the pump.

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It looks like you're using an ad blocker. I wouldn't use pipe which is smaller than 3/4". I have only about 6' of drop before my plumbing runs horizontally to my cistern in the basement. Ever since I was a little girl, I wanted a chance to experience a 1920s-1930s kitchen like I saw in my dollhouse catalogs, complete with cellar, hardwood floor, and pitcher pump installed at the sink. It You can also adapt from 1 1/4" to 1" and use 1" pipe.

Drill a small hole in the Tubing just below the frost level. Treasure Does this answer your question adequately? The drop pipe is the piping to be used to attach to the bottom of the pitcher pump and reach into your water source. can also be used to pump from any water source less than 24 feet

Pumps and Tanks Well Forum & Blog. You won't need one of these if you have only cold water available. Why do I need a foot valve? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 2022 TractorByNet.com | TractorByNet is a registered trademark of IMC Digital Universe, Inc. Other trademarks on this page are the property of their respective owners. (That would be hard to achieve, normally.) Looks ugly.

What is your line length, would you say? I suppose you could use black polypipe, so long as you believe it won't collapse under the suction. The pumps are easy to wipe clean, and don't look shabby, as a conventional faucet can, even when dirty.

And if your using a pressure switch with a self primer, your looking for a nuked pump and fittings if the water level changes. My question is what type of pipe should i use down into the well? The handles on my pumps were designed to be adjustable, being able to be set at any angle around the pump. Add more water in the top of the pump if necessary.

One of the links in the article above leads to a site selling a hand pump rated for a medium-depth well.

Furthermore, I can fill a sink or bucket faster than with a conventional, modern faucet.

Movie Drive-In, Labor Joilene Rasmussen (author) from United States on March 29, 2012: All the plumbing in our set-up is 3/4" galvanized iron pipe. outage. A. Sprinklers are rated at gpm at a certain pressure.

%PDF-1.6 % A water barrel under your countertop will do as a cistern.

They can't usually tell, either. But this was not much of a hardship as long as I kept a towel handy. Does this act like a check valve to keep the draw pipe full or primed?

Some of the pumps on the market are cheaply designed and are intended only for ornamental use.

Be aware that not all hand pumps or pitcher pumps are designed to be actually used to draw water. This pipe can be any straight pipe 1 inch to 1 1/4 inches in diameter. The pump should never be operated without water to eliminate damage to the leather cup.

If the pump has not been operated for a long period of time it would be best to prime the pump with a couple of cups of water and wait a few minutes while the leather cup swells enough to make contact with the pump wall. Energy When the handle is lifted as high as possible the check valve (plunger weight) becomes tilted as the plunger is forced down on top of the bottom flat leather weight allowing air into the suction line to break the vacuum and drain the suction line.

It took over 20 years, but I got my dream. Any suggestions?" . As the handle is pushed down it lifts the plunger, creating a vacuum inside the cylinder causing the flat flapper valve at the base to open pulling water into the cylinder.

That appears to be very do-able, and even as a permanent installation for when the power is off later on.

Prime the pump by pouring water in the top of the pump until it flows out of the spout. Thanks. You will need some 1 1/4" pipe (along with threads on at least one end). Each full pump brings up about a pint of water. For optimum water flow the drop piping used should not be smaller than 1-1/4" pipe.

Get good leathers for your pump, and be sure that they are kept in good condition. Sometimes (and certainly after time) you will need to use some quality basic faucet grease #LU020 on the leather cup and the flat leather at the base valve. I am told that driven well points are no longer available in this size. Do you know where I can get parts for it?" It may not display this or other websites correctly. I am building a small wooden pedestal to mount it on which sits on a steel plate covering the well hole.

Naturally, how much pipe you need, and what other fittings are required, will be determined by how far it is to your water source.

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If water level is very deep, you may be pumping for a while just to get water up to ground level. Sounds good! I will be driving about 16-20 feet of pipe in all and have limited overhead room(basement ceiling is 8 feet high) Thanks..

I apologize for the goobery pics; I was rushed.

For instance, water flow is easy to restrict.

For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. My bathroom pump froze twice last winter and was not hurt.

You don't want to change the pipe size, you should hook it up to your sprinklers if you have any and see what it does. Up to 24 feet of pipe with male 1-1/4 inch threads on one end.

I'm interested in your cistern connections.

The screen is to keep debris from entering into the suction pipe line if used in a pond, lake, river, or stream.

"I'm told that installing a check valve on the inlet side of any brand of hand pump is a good idea. 2022 The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers on this website. You could pump all day and draw nothing but air through the hole. If a foot valve or spring check valve is used then water will be kept in the drop pipe and eliminate the need to prime the pump each time.Note: The choice of which one to use will depend on the installer preference and which one may be easier to replace should it fail in years to come.Please note: The use of a check valve or foot valve will keep water in the pipe to the pump as well as inside the pump, so the pump and piping above the frost line will need to be protected from freezing conditions.

This hand operated Pitcher Pump will pump water from a water level of 24 feet or less from the bottom of the pump. Out on our property, we have an old hand dug well lined with stone walls about 3' around. ridgetop from Kentucky on March 26, 2012: Useful information. My well is 300' deepwhich is still considered a medium depth, as many of the local wells are 350-400 feet deep. You can see the hole where a pump was removed, at the side of the sink. And until I designed a splashback guard, I always had a bit of a puddle once I was through pumping, at the base of the pump. could you tel lme how to put a replacement washer on a garden cast iron water pump pls.

1" piping can be used but will decrease the amount of water volume pumped out through the spout.

You can buy some models that contain the strainer and the valve in one unit. "What is a foot valve and how does it work?" Joilene Rasmussen (author) from United States on August 28, 2011: Yes, as explained in the article, a hand pump does have limited draw. Yes, you'll still need to know what the pressure is.

If your getting that much water you must have bought a self priming centrifugal. with preventing debris from entering the pump or pipe. We added a water filter just outside of my cistern, through which everything must flow before it reaches the pumps, as my well water is somewhat silty. You must log in or register to reply here. We already have the equipment to power it with solar to fill a holding tank. A foot valve on the bottom of

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We recently tried a small tank on the roof with a pump to get water to the tank, hoping that it could be gravity fed through all our existing plumbing.

/ CSR / Our Story, Summer So, photos of the caulk-silicone job are below. Return Policy (Electricity didn't come to this area of Colorado until the mid '40s, but the family did have a small generator previous to this.) I got a gush, or nothing. I didn't know that many folks still used hand pumps in their homes.

We typically do use the cistern water for brushing teeth, washing, and other activities during which the water is not directly ingested. Also, do this prior to installing your pump.).

5 3/4 inches apart in a triangular shape. A. Even washing my hair is simple and quick. Since you will need to apply the silicone to clean and dry surfaces, this may mean you'd best apply it first thing in the morning (after everything has had a chance to get really dry overnight), and just use another water source for a day or two. It probably won't matter how you do it with that pump.

Cistern is full and I'd love to be able to use the water. Galvanized steel pipe - 3/4" diameter (1/2" would do; 1" would take too long to fill up to the pump spout).

Red Here are the tools and supplies we required to install our pumps: If you choose to use copper pipe, you will need a torch, copper pipe cutter, solder, flux, and pipe dope or Teflon tape. I would be pumping it from an above ground cistern into the house.

This pitcher pump drip guard is made from a plastic water bottle. Old Timey Days, Red The base of the pump is threaded to accept the galvanized pipe not sure about using PVC pipe.

Q. There is a good reason for that. With PVC plastic pipe you will need a 1 1/4" male adapter #PVC436 (as well as your PVC pipe).

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Thanks for your comments. I told my wife that i would build a pump stand and install one of those old-style hand pump/spigots so she can draw water out.

Labor If you add the switch and a tank, you may not like the results down the road. Always fill the pump with water (called priming the pump) before operating the pump. Your advice and instructions are excellent.

The strainer will keep out the crud that tears up seals and could possibly catch in the check valve to keep it from sealing properly.

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Your drop pipe should be at least 5 feet longer than the actual water pumping level. The drop pipe can be PVC (we recommend schedule 40), galvanized, copper or any other potable (drinking water grade) piping.

Lastly, make sure there is nothing in your pump that would be destroyed or damaged, should your pump freeze. Its better to use electric driven pump, keep hand pump there just for looks. Day Flea Market This pump can be installed on a well, a barrel, or holding tank.

It will save your prime. "My hand pump used to work fine. I have loved the fact that the pitcher pumps go so well with the era and design of my 1928 Craftsman farmhouse. We do not offer parts for hand pumps other than the ones we currently offer.

(This removes air from the line, and allows the pump to draw.)

|t4 ( Also makes a wonderful decorative item for your yard or Joilene Rasmussen (author) from United States on April 19, 2012: There does not appear to be any good reason why we should not use our particular pumps for drinking water. There were two refrigeratorsno ice boxesone from the late '20s. Here is the kitchen counter and sink as it was before we installed the pump.

I called my handy-dandy dad, and together, we designed a system to bring both hot and cold running water into the home.

The pumps are easy to use. the pipe to prevent backflow.

Customer Service Just have to remember to fill the bucket each time. You will not need to worry about torque bracing like you would if it were a submersible electric pump.

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For washing hands, it takes only two pumps into the stoppered sink to take care of even the grimiest child's "paws".

Why pumps are not typically designed with a drip guard bead on the underside of the spout, I don't know. This will be used only for sprinklers. but they aren't--forcing innovations from creative homesteaders.

If it is a pitcher pump, you should be able to unscrew the top, pull out the plunger, and get to the washer to replace it. The pump connection is a 1-1/4" NPT, and I am guessing that normal galvanized pipe will work ok(?). News & Mentions

89 0 obj <>stream You can see here under the counter the hot and cold water pipes, with the valve switch attached. Secondly, make sure your water pump includes a check valve in the base, to prevent backflow.

Very interesting, and a nice touch for a house :). In both cases, we went straight down from the pumps and through the floors, then across the ceiling of my basement toward my cistern, hanging the pipes from brackets attached to the joists. I don't remember the company from which our pumps came. female connection.

When the handle is pulled up it pushes the plunger down against the weighted flat valve (flapper valve). Shallow Well Check valve on top of well point.

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You probably covered this but I need to ask again, does the plumping from the hand pump into the cistern need to be totally vertical or can there be two elbows in the entire length? At any rate, for an average small hand-operated water pump, your cistern should not be more than 21' lower than your pump, and 15' would be better.

They have braces to keep them from bouncing around in the well casing. The handle is connected to the plunger and moves the plunger up and down. In the winter of 2009, my family and I moved onto a rural property on which stood a 1928 Wardway's kit home. valve will also decrease the need to prime the pump along We don't have a basement so we are thinking of burying it outside our kitchen window.

We cannot stock or find parts for other brands. Rigid PVC pipe would probably work, too, but we chose to use something we were sure would not suck in from pressure. However, it may be another year before I get electric. You should be able to suspend the pickup pipe from a solid mounting surface at the top of the well.

My pumps were both installed in December 2010 (this is now August 2011), and I have had no problems. It did, however, require a long time to thaw. Also, after a hard pump, the water sometimes splashes out the top hole, wetting my countertop. When the plunger reaches the top of the cylinder the base flapper valve closes due to the weight of the water in the cylinder and water is trapped in the cylinder.

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